his friend bob in washington? does he mean one of the reporters? what does he mean. >> apparently he meant other msnbc staffers. >> that's what he claims. but i find that -- i'm incredulous about that. the rest of the conversation was hey, look, cenk, we'd love to be outsiders, outsiders are cool. but we're insiders, we're the establishment and you have to look like it. if my bookers had problems with my waving my arms, that would be an incredibly weird way of putting that. >> you suggested when this perh some white house pressure on msnbc because you have taken on the president on various things. but you don't have any evidence of that, do you? >> but i didn't say that. i said people in washington had a concern with my tone, which is what phil griffin told me. i didn't say that he said that it was the white house. now, you know, who is the people in washington? i think that's a really great question, probably needs some more investigation. you know, a friend of mine just suggested that i watch the "60 minutes" piece by al sharpton around i find th